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Post by Perfect Storm on Oct 20, 2010 7:01:37 GMT -5
Ike, First of all I refer to this as the forum as the CCW message board in a general sense because the are the ones who sponsor it. I know that it is divided into two different areas.
I do not have a issue with other promotion using this portion of the message board to promote their shows or post results from their shows and that was not even the point I was trying to make.
My point was to ask the question if you could care less about a promotion and you feel you run a superior show why would you even need to waste your time advertising on their web sight, especially when you have your own message board. Wasting your time on 5 to 10 people who use this board does not make once again any business sense. I honestly fill CCW needs to run their message board stricter like The ST.Louis Community does or how ASWF does down in Arkansas.
Perfect Storm
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Post by wHAT on Oct 20, 2010 8:51:44 GMT -5
Perfect Storm,
CCW doesn't "sponsor" this message board. They don't even moderate it and don't have the ability to do so.
This isn't CCW's "website" either. They don't have a website.
No one is on here bashing CCW or any other promotion. IF MECW doesn't run shows for a month, its their choice. The people that own MECW have more money than they know what to do with. No one in the upper levels of MECW are strapped for cash.
I hope that puts all of your fears to rest.
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Post by oboy_canadiandream on Oct 20, 2010 9:28:25 GMT -5
My point was to ask the question if you could care less about a promotion and you feel you run a superior show why would you even need to waste your time advertising on their web sight, especially when you have your own message board. Wasting your time on 5 to 10 people who use this board does not make once again any business sense. I honestly fill CCW needs to run their message board stricter like The ST.Louis Community does or how ASWF does down in Arkansas. This doesn't make a lot of sense. It is a good idea for a promotion to post their card anywhere that is free. It would be dumb not to, even if only 5-10 people see it. If Admission is $10, then that is $50-100 you could be giving up on by not posting your card. Plus, most people don't come to a wrestling show alone, so those 5-10 people could bring friends. When we come, we bring anywhere from 3-15 people. That is a lot of money you would be turning down by simply not letting people know about your show. This Board was created by someone that is no longer involved with CCW at all and they no longer visit the Board. Therefore, there is no Moderator and I like it that way. I have had posts deleted for posting a critical show review and suggesting improvements from another Message Board in the past and they were respectful posts. The point of a Message Board is to voice your opinion.
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Post by Perfect Storm on Oct 20, 2010 13:18:56 GMT -5
Oboy_canadiandream,
Please be sure you read all that I said because I made it clear that I have no problem with other promotions using this part of the forum to post their shows and results. Heck I love for somebody to post any up coming shows for this Saturday. My point again was that if you are going to act like your product is so much better than ever body Else's. Why lower your self to post on somebody Else's message board it is kind of hypocritical.
I understand your point about more money, that could be brought in ,but I was told d earlier that MECW has more money than they know what to do with so in this case would those 3 - 15 people even matter.
Now about voicing your opinion. What a great thing to be able to do such and even if I disagree with you on some of the stuff you said especially the amen comment. I thought it was not needed.I do how ever respect your right to have a different opinion. I can agree with no moderator as long as peoples opinions are respectful but it is when people have used the message board for personal attacks on each other when their opinions are different from others.
Now What, CCW does have a web sight, been on it today. Even if it is not updated like it could be it is still a web sight .
I have no fears that need to be put to rest like I said I like all federations and MECW is one of them, but once again does it make sense to stop running shows when you are really hot and does that not hurt your fan base at all that is my question it is not about the money it is about the relationship with your fans.Please answer that question.
Perfect Storm
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Post by what on Oct 20, 2010 15:31:27 GMT -5
if you call that a ccw web site then so be it.
I don't believe it hurts MECW's fanbase because they have a weekly television show. You can watch MECW every week without them having to run a show. Thats why they don't need to run a show every month if they don't want to.
And yes 3-15 people do matter. ALL fans matter even the little guys.
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Post by a truthful opinion on Oct 20, 2010 16:20:50 GMT -5
Wow, I thought this forum was dead. Anyhow to put my two cents into this fight. If MECW has all this money oozing out of their wallets then why are they running shows in Cannelton where the building is extremely cheap along with Monroe City where the building is so cheap that a different wrestling company runs out of there every week. Seriously to claim that all is well financially wouldn't you guys be running in better venues by now? By watching the shows you can tell the crowd attendance is not doing very well in these places so why are you there to begin with? As far as what happened with the MCIW thing, I could care less. I have been to a couple MCIW shows over the years and they have good nights and they have terrible nights. It depends on who is there that night, which is always a toss up.
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Post by iketurner on Oct 21, 2010 13:41:52 GMT -5
There is a lot more than 5-6 people that come to this board. Most of Evansville come here. Like i said, CCW doesnt even use it really. The misc side is the Evansville wrestling board. MECW's board just isnt as cut and dry as this board and all the news is posted here anyway. People are lazy and its hard to get this many people to frequent another board that serves the exact same thing. 90% of people dont come here to see whats going down in CCW because hell, its not like anything CCW is really posted anyway(aside from those weeks Buzz did posts cards or when Dweller or we go to shows). People come here beause there is no mod, and there are no rules. You can post 30 times under different names. Hell 1 whole thread could be someone talking to themselves in guest names and no one would know. In the end, who really cares. Im not sure what the arguement really is. MECW is still here and will be running again soon. CCW is alive and run every week. Thats about all that really matters.
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Post by Perfect Storm on Oct 21, 2010 22:57:05 GMT -5
Most of Evansville visits this message board I am sorry but I respectfully disagree .
According to the 2000 census Evansville had a population of 121,582 and metropolitan population of 342,815. I do not think most of these people are visiting this message board.I would say the number of people that visit this message board could be compared to taking a drop of water out of the ocean.
Lets run some other numbers with the 3 bigger federation. CCW has a weekly average of lets say 70 give or take 20. Mecw around 200 to 220, once again give or take 20. NFW has around 200 , so that would put us around 500 based on the attendance figures you use.that leaves 121,082. Why are these people not going to shows could it be that since most of them visit this board that what is being said is turning them off from going to shows or could it be the shows themselves. I would say probably not but that most of 121,082, do not even no who CCW,MECW and NWF are. I will give you this I do love setting here going back and forth with all of you and talking wrestling so thanks to you all even if we do not agree all the time.
Perfect Storm
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Post by a truthful opinion on Oct 21, 2010 23:40:47 GMT -5
In all honesty Perfect Storm, your numbers are somewhat off if you go by what the last shows tallied. NFW drew closer to around 300 as of the last show and according to MECW's TV show which was the last live show they did ,if I am correct, only drew about 50 people. I haven't been to CCW in quite sometime so I can't say what they are drawing now, but if they are drawing 70 a show then the show must have gotten better. Or J grunge had 20 more kids since the last time I was there.
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Post by CORRECTION on Oct 22, 2010 0:01:18 GMT -5
Uh, CORRECTION........................
I go to ALL the area shows!!
CCW draws 30 - 40 weekly
MECW draws 100 - 600 depending on the name they bring in
NFW draws between 60 - 75 every show
Don't even try it!
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Post by Perfect Storm on Oct 22, 2010 8:28:08 GMT -5
Thanks guys for the laugh today , I was just trying too point out that most of Evansville does not visit the message board nor do they even know it exist.
Perfect Storm
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Post by a truthful opinion on Oct 22, 2010 11:57:00 GMT -5
Correction. obviously you haven't been to MECW or NFW because MECW's last show was at Cannelton Indiana and you can tell by the attendance by the TV show, they only drew about 50 people. Other than the show the pics on their website has never shown a crowd much more than 250 to 300. NFW draws on average 200 to 250 a show with the last show drawing around 300. I know what the attendance is because when I am there and I count the crowd. So what ever you are on, keep smokin it cause your fantasy world math is obviously working for you.
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Post by WHAT on Oct 22, 2010 12:03:05 GMT -5
So you use NFW average crowd size but MECW last show crowd size to make your point?
Anyone who has been around this board knows that truthful opinion has yet to speak anything but the truth when concerning NFW.
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Post by iketurner on Oct 22, 2010 13:33:05 GMT -5
I will take responsibility for my incorrect statement. I didnt mean it to sound like the entire town visits this board. That is laughable. lol. I meant to say most Evansville wrestling fans visit this board. A couple of days last week there were over 100 guests visits per day. So thats my bad. I didnt mean 100 thousand.
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Post by iketurner on Oct 22, 2010 13:40:20 GMT -5
CCW was up around 100 a few weeks back when i was there. MECW in the two times i have been have been around 250 or so. The only NFW show i will EVER attend drew around 200-250
In the end, who gives a crap anyway. Its not like the $ is going into our pockets. NO ONE besides the promoters know how many of those heads actually came in thru the back for free anyway.
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