Josh Stratton
Junior Member
A part of Evansville wrestling since 1996.
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Post by Josh Stratton on Mar 5, 2009 21:41:33 GMT -5
WTF? What the hell's going on? First of all, I only post on here as Nic Wood. I am Josh the announcer. I don't need to hide behind a computer screen with a fake name. I wasn't tryin to start any poop between anyone. I shouldn't have typed a few things I did. I apologize. I have nothing against Walt, the man has never had an ill word to my face. He even stepped aside for me when I came back to CCW the third of fourth time. Good luck to him. The only reason his promotion got attacked was the fact that he left CCW then tried to promote his show on the Coliseum Forum. Hell, I even done that once with the never fully conceived XWA. More power to ya. The Dragons are badass as is most of their roster. I am bowing out of this fight. I have been here before and it never ends pretty. If anything the VIP show will help warm up Evansville for the wrestlers that said f CCW and The 'ville too. So who knows the Dragons, Chuck, Ricochet, Pondo, M-Dogg 20, Juggulator, Team Macktion, and who knows Hulk flippin Hogan could be at the Coliseum any given Wednesday now. Who the f knows. Why y'all gotta be so sensitive. Now I gotta watch my words. You mofos are some true a s s wrestling fans. *props*
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Post by insideguy on Mar 5, 2009 21:59:33 GMT -5
Man there's some heated $hit bein thrown around. Hey ya gotta give it to Walt, he sure knows how to get the board goin. Some of you know who I am and know that I got a pretty good relationship with Walt. Haven't talked to him much lately but before he gave me some good advice. he gave me an opportunity not many would have. I am grateful to him for that. I don't know if Walt has ill will toward CCW. It really doesn't matter to me. Walts passion is wrestling. Who really expected him to just walk away from CCW. Its true he wasn't fired. He could still be in CCW if he wanted, but for whatever reason he moved on. Can't fault him for that. My allegiance is to CCW, but I wish the VP guys luck.
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Post by iketurner on Mar 5, 2009 23:11:07 GMT -5
First of all, i got no ill will toward anyone here. Nic, Insideguy.....both of you guys have handled CCW and all of the hatred in a very professional manner. I have a lot of respect for keeping CCW going. I think thats clear. Im also not going to feed you a bunch of sugar coated crap either. I think thats clear. Its all good. Not real sensitive at all really, but im not sure why we were getting bashed for supporting wrestlers we wanted to see. If it fails it fails. Realfan talked a mountain of crap and doesnt really back up what he says with any facts. Saying we are the self proclaimed super marks is a flat out lie. Ive never proclaimed myself to be anything, especially a mark. There is little doubt i am a mark though, cant help it in this day and age.
Anyway, back to the point. VIP wrestling bringin in these guys can only help CCW. I can imagine a week of heading to CCW on wednsday night and the sportscenter on saturday night. This can only help CCW. VIP shouldnt be a threat to CCW at all. If VIP came in and ran a show the same night as the anniversary show, i could see the hate. In the end, im ready to see some flippy guys do what they do.
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Post by iketurner on Mar 6, 2009 0:23:20 GMT -5
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Post by pHILLIS hARLEY on Mar 6, 2009 1:06:41 GMT -5
i WATCHED UR THERE VIDEOS AND THATS JUST NOT WRESTLING. iF THERE ISNT 10 MINUTES WORTH OF STALLING THATS JUST NOT WRESTLIN THE WAY WE DO IN DOWN HERE IN THE SOUTH. cCW IS THE BEST. wE BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS AND WEVE BEEN PUTTIN ON SOME KILLER SHOWS LATELY. iF YOU DONT COME EVERY SINGLE WEEK YOU DONT DESERVE A VOICE. iF YOU WANA KNOW HOW I AM JUST COME SEE ME. iM THE FATAZZ GUY, WITH 4 TEETH, THAT SMELLS LIKE SEWER WATER. i KNOW THATS MOST OF THE FANS, BUT ILL HOLA AT CHA.
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Post by Wondering on Mar 6, 2009 5:14:51 GMT -5
If you guys really think that Walt can bring in everyone that he claims, then why didnt he do it for CCW when he was there?
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You do have a point. If WAlt couls bring in that talent, why didn't he do it at CCW?
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And nothing went down between Walt and CCW. Walt was never fired. .... He could have came back but decided to walk away.
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He obviously had a problem with not being able to run CCW anymore so he bolted.
So.... Im not going to sit here and pretend to know what goes on behind the scenes and frankly i dont give a sh it.
I don't know if Walt has ill will toward CCW. It really doesn't matter to me. Walts passion is wrestling. Who really expected him to just walk away from CCW. Its true he wasn't fired. He could still be in CCW if he wanted, but for whatever reason he moved on.
Just my opinion but these seem to be the main questions here that would shed light on the whole situation. Evidently something went on, but no one is talking so we'll never know.
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Post by FratGuyUSI on Mar 6, 2009 9:49:10 GMT -5
If you guys really think that Walt can bring in everyone that he claims, then why didnt he do it for CCW when he was there? and again.... You do have a point. If WAlt couls bring in that talent, why didn't he do it at CCW? Also And nothing went down between Walt and CCW. Walt was never fired. .... He could have came back but decided to walk away. and again He obviously had a problem with not being able to run CCW anymore so he bolted. So.... Im not going to sit here and pretend to know what goes on behind the scenes and frankly i dont give a sh it. I don't know if Walt has ill will toward CCW. It really doesn't matter to me. Walts passion is wrestling. Who really expected him to just walk away from CCW. Its true he wasn't fired. He could still be in CCW if he wanted, but for whatever reason he moved on. Just my opinion but these seem to be the main questions here that would shed light on the whole situation. Evidently something went on, but no one is talking so we'll never know. You know, I have been setting here biting my tongue, but this nutst is hard to take. I don't know Walt from Abe Lincoln, but I do know that Whoever brought in the kick asss guys like, Mike Quakenbush and Claudio Castagnoli RULED!!! I was at that show and a few others and I would pay 20.00 to see that, than that nutst thats goin on down there now! I could wrestle better than some of those guys at CCW right now. Pretty Boy,Pothead John, Dr Blue, They all suck. I'm not goin to lie to ya ...the first time I came back to CCW 2 weeks ago....I thought it was a joke! I thought "this has to be illegal for mentally handicap to wrestle" come to find out its not a joke. VIP will put on a far better show if its the same guys that use to run CCW. . By the way Wondering you sound like a moron! Did you read your post? You claim you don't know what happened in CCW but yet you go on to say what happened in CCW! If your goin to post at least make sense
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Post by FratGuyUSI on Mar 6, 2009 9:59:05 GMT -5
i WATCHED UR THERE VIDEOS AND THATS JUST NOT WRESTLING. iF THERE ISNT 10 MINUTES WORTH OF STALLING THATS JUST NOT WRESTLIN THE WAY WE DO IN DOWN HERE IN THE SOUTH. cCW IS THE BEST. wE BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS AND WEVE BEEN PUTTIN ON SOME KILLER SHOWS LATELY. iF YOU DONT COME EVERY SINGLE WEEK YOU DONT DESERVE A VOICE. iF YOU WANA KNOW HOW I AM JUST COME SEE ME. iM THE FATAZZ GUY, WITH 4 TEETH, THAT SMELLS LIKE SEWER WATER. i KNOW THATS MOST OF THE FANS, BUT ILL HOLA AT CHA. This has to be a joke! CCW must be payin these guys with cheeseburgers at the show. If those videos didnt impress you. You need to be shot!!!
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Post by insideguy on Mar 6, 2009 10:49:45 GMT -5
"Pretty Boy,Pothead John, Dr Blue, They all suck."
Fratguy, you named two guys on the undercard, and a guy who was used by Walt and Lonestar for years. He wasn't fired from CCW because they thought he wasn't good.
If you like I can arrange for you to have an in ring tryout with some of our regular guys. Tracy Smothers, Mitch Ryder, Bull Pain, Brandon Espinosa, J-Grunge, Steve Siegers would all be more than happy to see your in-ring ability and maybe give you some pointers along the way.
Let me know if this is something you would like to happen, otherwise it isn't a good idea to claim you are better than someone at doing something you've never done.
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Post by FratGuyUSI on Mar 6, 2009 11:59:05 GMT -5
"Pretty Boy,Pothead John, Dr Blue, They all suck." Fratguy, you named two guys on the undercard, and a guy who was used by Walt and Lonestar for years. He wasn't fired from CCW because they thought he wasn't good. If you like I can arrange for you to have an in ring tryout with some of our regular guys. Tracy Smothers, Mitch Ryder, Bull Pain, Brandon Espinosa, J-Grunge, Steve Siegers would all be more than happy to see your in-ring ability and maybe give you some pointers along the way. Let me know if this is something you would like to happen, otherwise it isn't a good idea to claim you are better than someone at doing something you've never done. First off...I don't know who the hell Walt is. Lonestar I think I remember. It was always my understanding the Ackers ran the show, so why all the hate for these guys? Sounds like they are the scapegoats to me! Second....the only guy that stays on the undercard is Dr.Blue. John was the main event a few weeks back and u had pretty boy in a tag match against the CCW champs! Those are lies! Finally....I have no desire to wrestle, I'm a fan! Tracy Mitch Bull ,I respect all of them. It's hard to respect someone who talks a massive amount of nuts and cant wrestle a dime! My examples I gave above. Let me fill you in on a little about me. I'm from Indy...IWA Mid-South territory. The only reason I found out about CCW was on IWAs message board. You guys are a joke to them! I came down to Evansville for College 2 years ago and was looking for some good wrestling to hold me over till I got home. Some of the IWA board told me to come to CCW....little did I know they were f**kn with me. When I told them I went they all laughed
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Post by insideguy on Mar 6, 2009 12:05:26 GMT -5
"Pretty Boy,Pothead John, Dr Blue, They all suck." Fratguy, you named two guys on the undercard, and a guy who was used by Walt and Lonestar for years. He wasn't fired from CCW because they thought he wasn't good. If you like I can arrange for you to have an in ring tryout with some of our regular guys. Tracy Smothers, Mitch Ryder, Bull Pain, Brandon Espinosa, J-Grunge, Steve Siegers would all be more than happy to see your in-ring ability and maybe give you some pointers along the way. Let me know if this is something you would like to happen, otherwise it isn't a good idea to claim you are better than someone at doing something you've never done. First off...I don't know who the hell Walt is. Lonestar I think I remember. It was always my understanding the Ackers ran the show, so why all the hate for these guys? Sounds like they are the scapegoats to me! Second....the only guy that stays on the undercard is Dr.Blue. John was the main event a few weeks back and u had pretty boy in a tag match against the CCW champs! Those are lies! Finally....I have no desire to wrestle, I'm a fan! Tracy Mitch Bull ,I respect all of them. It's hard to respect someone who talks a massive amount of nuts and cant wrestle a dime! My examples I gave above. Let me fill you in on a little about me. I'm from Indy...IWA Mid-South territory. The only reason I found out about CCW was on IWAs message board. You guys are a joke to them! I came down to Evansville for College 2 years ago and was looking for some good wrestling to hold me over till I got home. Some of the IWA board told me to come to CCW....little did I know they were f**kn with me. When I told them I went they all laughed You ever heard of squash matches? Pretty boy was part of one. John was in the main event one time. Do you think VIP won't have young local talent on its show? You're crazy if you believe that. The Ackers don't "run" the show. They own the company. There is a difference. You stated you could wrestle better than some of our guys so I gave you the chance to prove it.
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Post by FratGuyUSI on Mar 6, 2009 12:14:42 GMT -5
First off...I don't know who the hell Walt is. Lonestar I think I remember. It was always my understanding the Ackers ran the show, so why all the hate for these guys? Sounds like they are the scapegoats to me! Second....the only guy that stays on the undercard is Dr.Blue. John was the main event a few weeks back and u had pretty boy in a tag match against the CCW champs! Those are lies! Finally....I have no desire to wrestle, I'm a fan! Tracy Mitch Bull ,I respect all of them. It's hard to respect someone who talks a massive amount of nuts and cant wrestle a dime! My examples I gave above. Let me fill you in on a little about me. I'm from Indy...IWA Mid-South territory. The only reason I found out about CCW was on IWAs message board. You guys are a joke to them! I came down to Evansville for College 2 years ago and was looking for some good wrestling to hold me over till I got home. Some of the IWA board told me to come to CCW....little did I know they were f**kn with me. When I told them I went they all laughed You ever heard of squash matches? Pretty boy was part of one. John was in the main event one time. Do you think VIP won't have young local talent on its show? You're crazy if you believe that. The Ackers don't "run" the show. They own the company. There is a difference. You stated you could wrestle better than some of our guys so I gave you the chance to prove it. Yeah....squash matches dont go the time limit moron! Who the hell books a 15 minute squash match? More like a snore fest! I dont care if the talent is young or old....as long as its "talent" I read reviews about the IWA/CCW shows that where held at the coliseum and the attendance sheet! If the Ackers dont run nuts why did IAN get run off? The attendance was higher than ever back then and the quality of the shows where off the charts!!!
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Post by bigsweatymike on Mar 6, 2009 12:24:42 GMT -5
So I heard about VIP from one of the oboys and decided to find out about it. I'll start by saying I've been out of the loop, so I don't know what has happened in the past year or so. Also, this is probably going to be set up pretty random just responding to thoughts as they come into my head.
Oboys know their wrestling, and it's safe to say that the shows they go to will have good wrestling. If they stop going it's for a reason.
Walt knows his wrestling. I'm going off the assumption that he's running VIP since that's what I've heard, but I haven't talked to him personally so I don't accept it as fact. But from what I understand to be the case in CCW is that he didn't really have any control. It's not his budget (which is why he couldn't bring in talent that wouldn't accept drugs as payment). He used his connections at times when he was asked and provided his input just the same, but mostly he did what he was told.
If you have a bunch of talent leave at once from a promotion, then something is wrong. It's not that Walt was pissed about something and took people with him, it's that they group as a whole was fed up with things and didn't wanna deal with it.
A lot of the names in CCW that make up the roster are a joke, and some think they are more important than they are. If you're not the owner or booker, or related to those positions, you can always be replaced. There's definately a lot of old school ccw buddy-buddy situations where they watch each others backs. That can be nice at times, but only really for them.
Sit down and talk to walt sometime (if he has time, he's a busy man). I talked to walt for hours one time about the plans/storylines he wanted to do with CCW. It would have been epic, even without big names.
Yes, CCW has "run out" every other promotion. They've been there and lasted when others have failed. No promotion is the same, so that argument can't really apply. They have a built in advantage being that the owner works for the building, so they either don't have to pay for the venue, or don't pay much. Renting the building is probably the biggest single cost of running a show (obviously all worker pay total could be bigger). But just because they stick around doesn't mean the wrestling is better.
And as far as the wrestling being better, it's all opinion. (see, I'm not just bashing ccw here) There are clearly people who enjoy ccw wrestling, it's just not for everyone. Most of the guys are nice people and I enjoyed hanging around them, but I don't necessarily enjoy watching them wrestle. Plenty of people didn't like watching me wrestle I'm sure. And that works on any level, I hate watching Jon Cena, but obviously a lot of people like him.
I had fun in ccw and definately don't wish anything bad on them, in fact I hope they continue to thrive. But I'd love for VIP to do well also, especially since a lot of friends are there. Let's hope that both provide excellent wrestling for us all to enjoy, maybe we could even run a fued in the future. Exchanging talent, especially between hardcore guys and more technical guys (see roh vs czw), is always a good time.
So let's quit all the petty arguing and just enjoy the shows. They'll both have ups and downs, positives and negatives, but the passion is there for both sides.
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Post by insideguy on Mar 6, 2009 12:32:37 GMT -5
You ever heard of squash matches? Pretty boy was part of one. John was in the main event one time. Do you think VIP won't have young local talent on its show? You're crazy if you believe that. The Ackers don't "run" the show. They own the company. There is a difference. You stated you could wrestle better than some of our guys so I gave you the chance to prove it. Yeah....squash matches dont go the time limit moron! Who the hell books a 15 minute squash match? More like a snore fest! I dont care if the talent is young or old....as long as its "talent" I read reviews about the IWA/CCW shows that where held at the coliseum and the attendance sheet! If the Ackers dont run nuts why did IAN get run off? The attendance was higher than ever back then and the quality of the shows where off the charts!!! Calling someone a moron really doesn't get your point across any better. I said the Ackers own the company, they control who the booker is. The booker runs the show period. Ask your IWA guys, they will tell you the same. We are obviously arguing on two different levels, you as the fan and me not so much.
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Post by bigsweatymike on Mar 6, 2009 12:37:06 GMT -5
Well IWA is run and booked by Ian, so not the best choice there.
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