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Post by wow on May 9, 2010 17:55:47 GMT -5
Other announcements were that MECW is coming back for another show, and that they have a TV deal. Last nights show was a TV taping.
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Post by cavedweller73 on May 9, 2010 20:49:48 GMT -5
I've got to say that I'm not impressed with the endings to most of the matches. Run-ins, DQ's and shady wins? Yep, that's "Good Ol' Memphis-Style Rasslin'" for ya. So, there was even a "no over the top rope" rule in effect? YUCK!!!! I also agree with BSM that I'm not happy to see Chuck, Shank and Metal Master lose their matches, especially since them and Tracy Smothers would have been my only reason to even consider going to this show. It sounds as though I didn't miss much......HOWEVER........
I must say having Chuck vs "The Fallen Angel" and having Tommy Dreamer on the show, just might be enough for me to come out to the next show. I haven't seen any of Dreamer's post-WWE matches, but he's been getting booked all over the indies here lately. From what I've read, he showed up at Chikara's "King of Trios" show two weeks ago and challenged Eddie Kingston to a match. Too bad THAT match isn't happening here....haha!
Anyway, as Ike said, so far this is a hell of a start for the next show and if the rest of it looks at least decent, I just might have to come out and check it out. June is going to be a VERY busy month for me with KOTDM and TOD happening (CZW just announced Abdullah Kobayashi for TOD!!!! Yes, I'm a VERY happy little blood-mark!) but I'll be free on the 11th, so we'll see. As for people I'd like to see at that show, I agree that BSM's list is good and yes, Jon Moxley is as awesome as everyone says he is. He holds every title in the indies right now it seems, CZW, IPW, FIP and HWA. He's a lot like Tracy Smothers or Jerry Lynn in that he can pull off good moves, but he also knows how to sell his opponent's moves and make them look great too. I got a chance to talk to him some at an IPW show last year....he's an interesting guy, that's for sure.
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Post by what on May 9, 2010 21:09:28 GMT -5
Some people just don't understand the business. Why piss off the entire crowd by having the majority of heels win the matches? Shank is heel, chuck is heel, JD is heel, Badd Company is heel, Su Yung is heel.
Shank lost because well, he is a heel. Why start the show by having a heel win?
Chuck lost because he had to set up the bitter disgruntled worker, that was a fluke, I want real competition angle. This is all common sense guys. I was at the show and this is what I took from it.
Metal Master lost because why have the valet if she isn't gonna be involved in the finish.
Some fans are just way to picky. Good thing for me that I enjoyed the show and will be back in Evansville in June to see the next one.
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Post by hmmmm on May 9, 2010 21:44:14 GMT -5
I agree, "what"
btw, it really looked like it was closer to 6 or 7 hundred.
oh, and I can't freakin wait for the DVD or TV episodes to come out. Tracy Smothers on commentary............... THAT IS MONEY!!
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Post by bigsweatymike on May 10, 2010 10:35:37 GMT -5
I mentioned nothing about how the losses worked with "the business" or the storylines. I was going purely off the w/l results with no detail. I had no idea who was heel/face.
I hate your logic that a valet is useless unless she is involved in the finish. You obviously understand "the business" with that train of thought.
As far as being picky, you seem to be the picky one by nitpicking at the storylines and dissecting why it makes sense. I'm just going off of who I know impresses me, and I want the better guy to win, with maybe 1 dirty finish. My main complaint is really just that most of the card finished dirty.
I would definately like to get an actual number paid from a rep. A jump from 400 to 700 makes the number fishy to me. And I'm not sure what room they did it in, but the one I went to for ECW couldn't fit 700 in it, and they just had a ring in the middle with no tables or entrance or anything.
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Post by ok on May 10, 2010 12:08:05 GMT -5
mike, you can't expect the best wrestler to win the match every time. You can't expect the most popular wrestler to win everytime. I could see your point if MECW was just a one time show in one place and then move on to the next. They actually seem to be trying to build something.
the only dirty finish I recall is Su Young and JD Maverick. All of the others were clean finishes. The over the top rope DQ was to set up a return match. There were 7 matches, 2 were dirty finishes.
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Post by bigsweatymike on May 10, 2010 13:03:46 GMT -5
Shane Rich def "The Freak" Shank Barzini - Clean
Tommy Mercer def Chuck Taylor after a botched interference attempt by Tracy Smothers - Dirty
Chris Thomas and Edmund McQuire def Jason Briley and Chris Phoenix by DQ - Dirty
Su Young against Tracy Taylor after throwing baby powder in Taylor's face - Dirty
JD Maverick def Metal Master due to interference by Maverick's magr April Hunter - Dirty
Jeff Jarrett def Chase Stevens which saw Stevens beat up 2 referees and a handful of security after the match - I admittedly assumed it was dirty, still haven't really gotten details.
Jerry Lawler def Dirty Money with a piledriver in a match that Dirty Money dominated most of - clean
Not sure how you'd classify any kind of DQ or interference as clean, but that leave 2 (maybe 3) clean wins. If these results are wrong than I apologize, it's all I have to go off of.
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Post by jayboro on May 10, 2010 16:32:22 GMT -5
I would like to see a Drake-Shank rematch, I enjoyed that match.......
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Post by cavedweller73 on May 10, 2010 20:16:44 GMT -5
As BSM said, our opinions of seeing certain people lose is purely based off of written results, not seeing the actual matches or knowing the "story lines" or whatever. For fans who really follow indy wrestling, such as BSM, Ike, Morris, myself and others seeing workers we enjoy jobbing to guys we've never seen or heard of before isn't a good thing. But, if it's for a story line to set up a later match, then I understand your point. Personally, I don't get into the whole "heel vs face" side of pro wrestling, I just enjoy guys who can work good matches so I will admit that sometimes I don't think of who wins and loses in that kind of way. That's why I don't even bother watching wrestling on TV anymore. It's also why I have said before that I don't fit the mold of the "typical Evansville wrestling fan".
As for a Drake vs Shank match, I'd be VERY much in favor of that! I really enjoyed the two matches they had in VIP last year and from what I've seen of him lately, Shank's gotten even better as a wrestler since then.
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Post by iketurner on May 10, 2010 22:04:57 GMT -5
From the youtube scouting i have done, im not a fan of Tommy Mercer or Shane Rich. I dont care if you are a heel or face or whatever, jobbin Shank to a much lesser opponent is no way to build him toward anything. Im not complaining about the booking because I think the show looked decent and it looks like MECW is building to the future. The whole "you guys dont know the business" thing, IMO, is dumb. At this point if your going to book things the cookie cutter way, your show is going to get stale real quick. Dont get me wrong, im not saying MECW is doing that, im just saying thats a weak point. Another thing that bugs me about Evansville wrestling is the lack of finishing moves. CCW, VIP, NFW, and now it appears MECW doesnt use many finishing moves. To me, this is a big part of the match......the end. Most every match either ends with interference, dirty(holding the tights, chain shot, brass knucks, etc) or with your basic small package or rollup. Id really like to see some more guys finish out matches with a big move. It adds a lot to the match.
As for the future of MECW, and guys id like to see......Chris Hero is at the very top of that list. He is my favorite worker anywhere. Id kill to see him vs Davey Richards or John Moxley in MECW. Some other names id enjoy would have to be Zero G, Tony Kozina, Nick Brubaker, and even Jerry Lynn. After bringing in guys like Jarrett, Daniels, Lawler and Dreamer, it appears no name is off limits.
Oh and hey BSM, i was watching an old IWA tape last night and i saw you regulating on some people in the crowd. It was A Shot of Southern Comfort(my fav IWA show ever). Ahhhh, the good ol days!
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Post by MorrisDay on May 10, 2010 22:31:46 GMT -5
The one thing that kept me away from the first MECW show was the weak booking. Im sure a lot of people enjoyed the show and I hear it was deemed a success...which is great. But for me....the show could have been a lot better if a few matches were tweaked. I could not agree more with Ike about Shane Rich and Tommy Mercer. From the scouting I have done on the two ....I was not impressed .....at all! Very clumsy and very vanilla ....from the both of em. From my understanding Mercer is from Ohio and rich is from Missouri. So I'm sure they cost a little bit more than they are worth. In the future I would like to see MECW get their moneys worth from some guys that can work. Drake Younger Jon Moxley Sami Callihan Shima Xion Egotistico Fantastico Irish Airborne Faith in Nothing Full Throttle Zero G Aeroform Johnny Gargano Jimmy Jacobs Nick Brubaker .... I could go on and on with great talent who wouldn't break the bank and would wrestle circles around rich and mercer. But like I said before ....they have to be booked right. If you have a styles clash...the match will be horrible!!! I will never forget when (oboy) BJ Whitmer came back to CCW after a tour with Pro Wrestling NOAH in japan!! I was excited as hell until we showed up there and he was wrestling chris michaels. The match was 20 minutes full of michaels in control with chin locks and arm bars!!!! . F**KING HORRIBLE!!!!! . Point is.... If chuck would have wrestled Shank or Metal Master/chad "malenko" collyer it would have raised the bar in my book. rich and mercer could have wrestled eachother beings they are pretty much the same style. hell...it would have been REALLY EPIC if Lawler wrestled Jarrett! . Anyway off my soapbox. Seems as tho next months show is shaping up nice with Chuck and Daniels. I will be in attendance for that one
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Post by cavedweller73 on May 11, 2010 7:33:41 GMT -5
Ike brings up a good point that I never even considered...the lack of finishing moves. Now that I think about it, that's one of the things I really enjoyed about seeing Jerry Lynn at the Legends shows, marking out like a little kid for the cradle piledriver. Even if someone doesn't have an exact "finisher" they use in every match, having a big move at the end is always better then a DQ or roll-up finish.
As for the talents that both Ike and Morris listed, those names are dead on and I second every single one of them! If any company in Evansville booked those guys for every show, then I'd be sitting front row at every single one of them! Just a quick update that I know of a few names mentions, Faith in Nothing apparently don't take bookings outside of the Cleveland, Ohio area anymore and from what I've heard, Vincent Nothing is training to be an MMA fighter. I saw them at a few shows last year and they were a great team. Also, I'm not sure what's happened to Full Throttle. After they were in VIP, I saw Aaron Scott pop up at a few shows here and there (including a pre-show match at the last ROH show I attended in Indy) but I don't know what ever happened to Brandon Marino. I'd really like to see Nick Brubaker again. He was one of my favorites from the VIP days that I didn't know of before I saw him in VIP. Apparently, he's been working shows for IWA:MS and is even booked to work a match with JC Bailey this month. So, The Metal Master is Chad Collyer? See, told you I didn't know much about the guy but was impressed by the few matches I had seen. Now I know why! Ha ha!!
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Post by dudelove on May 11, 2010 9:16:35 GMT -5
Chuck lost because he had to set up the bitter disgruntled worker, that was a fluke, I want real competition angle. This is all common sense guys. I was at the show and this is what I took from it. Would have made more sense to me if Chuck would have went over, and then do the whole "I want better competition" shtick Shouldn't Chuck be getting the match vs Daniels next time because he WON. If you're gonna do the whole "fluke" thing, have Chuck face Madden in a re-match
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Post by wow on May 11, 2010 9:58:08 GMT -5
hmmm... looks to me like we got a bunch of "writers" on this board.
how bout ya go apply for a writer job @ wwe.
better yet, just don't bash "stories/angles" when you don't even have the details because ya didn't even bother to show up to see the show like ya said you were gonna do!
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Post by geez on May 11, 2010 10:19:54 GMT -5
Chuck lost because he had to set up the bitter disgruntled worker, that was a fluke, I want real competition angle. This is all common sense guys. I was at the show and this is what I took from it. Would have made more sense to me if Chuck would have went over, and then do the whole "I want better competition" shtick Shouldn't Chuck be getting the match vs Daniels next time because he WON. If you're gonna do the whole "fluke" thing, have Chuck face Madden in a re-match Chuck explained the whole thing in an interview he did later in the show. it doesn't make sense to you because you weren't there. who is madden?
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