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Post by CCWPathetic on May 28, 2009 14:20:37 GMT -5
Holy nuts! You guys are seriously bashing VIP?! For real? Have you taken a look at your nutsty ass so called, "Wrestling"? I'm just curious, how much meth and beer did you have to dish out to get some of those dumb f**ks to flop around a ring, and call themselves "wrestlers"?
VIP will have you f**kers out of commission in no time. Besides, at least VIP has the funds to bring in well known talent...not some fat f**k of a rednecked retard from the woods, like you guys have now.
How pathetic for you.
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Post by jasonbriley on May 28, 2009 14:38:38 GMT -5
Holy nuts! You guys are seriously bashing VIP?! For real? For clarification, who's is bashing VIP? I specifically stated the NEW CCW doesn't play that crap... Those who feel threatened by another, will stay on the defense forever!!! iketurner, let me know
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Post by iketurner on May 28, 2009 15:27:13 GMT -5
And Im guessing you didn't bother to tell them that the people in charge of VIP are the same people that turned CCW into that crap product did you? I don't believe for one second you talk to anyone inside CCW. No one inside CCW would give a mark such as yourself any kind of info except directions to the ticket booth. Turned CCW to crap eh? As opposed to what? When Ian booked the shows maybe. All i know is when Walt was there Chuck Taylor, Ricochet, Drake Younger, Diehard, OMG, Clifton Crunk, Sami Callihan, Mike Quackenbush, Cluadio, Dingo, Davey Richards etc..... were in for shows. I havent seen any talent like that in CCW since. Argue what you will, but when your product includes guys like Dr Blue, CJ Popp, Pothead John etc, please dont bash another company. Secondly, believe what you will. Ive been around CCW since the doors open. You think i dont know people? Thats fine if you think im making stuff up, but thats not the case. Once again, you are running off at the mouth when really, you are clueless. You know whats really sad. CCW ran a show last night. Instead of giving a show review talking about how good the show was, your over here, talking about VIP. Thanks for popping the product. It really doesnt say much about the company your defending. If you were really a CCW fan you would be here hyping up the show from last night. Thats sad.
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Post by iketurner on May 28, 2009 15:32:58 GMT -5
Enough back and forth ... unless you really enjoy it! I would like to personally invite "iketurner" back to CCW. Me and a few others put a lot of time, effort, thought, blood, sweat and tears into CCW every single week!! We want the show to succeed (more so than certain people prior). While I can definitely see how the "certain people" got burnt out on all of it before, I also must add, that is why it takes more than one person to operate a constant weekly show. The NEW CCW is operating as a team for once in a long time!! If you, iketurner or anyone else, would like to be a part of that team... please let me know! The NEW CCW and any of its "true" affiliates do not or should not bash any other promotion. That is not how I or anyone involved with the new CCW thinks or feels things should be! Meaning the past ways are the past... If anyone believes my words (as cheesy as they may sound), please email me email@jasonbriley.com and we can discuss how you can be a part of something big! We are bringing wrestling back to Evansville ... or a less argumentative approach: we are bringing wrestling back to the Evansville Coliseum!!! Email me! ;D Thanks for the invitation. I have talked to others who have extended the same invitation. You carry yourself with class and that doesnt go unnoticed. I think the overall talent in CCW is getting better and i realize people are busting their asses down there to keep the show going. I respect you and others involved with CCW right now. As for the guys here constantly running everything down, i have no respect for them. I have my eye on CCW always.
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Post by insideguy on May 28, 2009 15:40:59 GMT -5
Holy nuts! You guys are seriously bashing VIP?! For real? Have you taken a look at your nutsty ass so called, "Wrestling"? I'm just curious, how much meth and beer did you have to dish out to get some of those dumb f**ks to flop around a ring, and call themselves "wrestlers"? VIP will have you f**kers out of commission in no time. Besides, at least VIP has the funds to bring in well known talent...not some fat f**k of a rednecked retard from the woods, like you guys have now. How pathetic for you. No one from CCW is bashing VIP. Read what Jason Briley is typing. You guys saying CCW is crap need to come to a show. Be your own judge.
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Post by iketurner on May 28, 2009 15:47:27 GMT -5
Briley, check your email buddy.
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Post by the only truthful opinion on May 28, 2009 16:15:41 GMT -5
Let me make something clear. First off whoever made the last post with my name you are a brainless wanker. Second I am not making a CCW versus VIP arguement here. Brian tried the same stuff Walt is doing when he took over for Eric and paid for it dearly. When you book someone and build all the hype up around that person and he doesn't even know that he was booked there to begin with is fraudulent. Because it slanders the name of the talent and it stealing from the fans. Walt is as much an idiot as he is a crook, and I'm not saying that because I am against VIP and good wrestling. I am saying it because he is an idiot for trying to promote a show in a town with two other established shows in it with unproven as well as unknown talent. He is a crook for trying to swindle money out of the fans by not providing what he is advertising. Ike say what you want about yourself but you made yourself look pretty bad in the eyes of the 20 people you brought to the VIP show expecting more than what they got. In my opinion 7 dollars is way to much to see JP Lightning, Shank , and Kashmir in the ring once much less twice.
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Post by iketurner on May 28, 2009 16:32:04 GMT -5
I agree, it sucked that i brought the people hyping up the show. That being said, they werent upset at the end of the night. The show was worth 7 bucks to them. We had a blast. You guys keep talking about not bashing what you dont see, well, take your own advise. Like i said, it sucked the guys no showed, but Davey was the only one who Walt failed to follow up with. The other no shows were on the wrestlers, not Walt. I like how you mentioned JP, Shank and Kashmir, but you left out Tony Kozina and Full Throttle. The first match aside, the rest of the show was more than solid. MsChif vs Navaeh was worth the 7 bucks alone. I am saying it because he is an idiot for trying to promote a show in a town with two other established shows in it with unproven as well as unknown talent. He is a crook for trying to swindle money out of the fans by not providing what he is advertising. Ike say what you want about yourself but you made yourself look pretty bad in the eyes of the 20 people you brought to the VIP show expecting more than what they got. In my opinion 7 dollars is way to much to see JP Lightning, Shank , and Kashmir in the ring once much less twice. 2 Proven shows? NFW was out of business when VIP started promoting it's show and with all due respect to CCW, i dont see it among the top independent promotions in the US. Unproven and Unknown talent? This proves your ignorance right there. Chuck Taylor - IWA MS Heavyweight, Lightheavyweight, Womens Champions, Young Lions Cup champ, etc, Drake Younger - current CZW heavyweight champion and current TPI champion, Ricochet - Chikara superstar and Tony Kozina - trainer to Davey Richards and PWG superstar. The rest of the United States disagrees with your UNKNOWN or UNPROVEN talent. You take Shank or JP right now and put them in CCW and they are main event material. Your arguement there holds NO water. Again, he didnt swindle anyone. He stood at the door with a sign of the wrestlers that werent there. If you didnt like it, you didnt have to come in. Get it?
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Post by a truthful opinion on May 28, 2009 17:25:48 GMT -5
The truth is Ike NFW was not out of business, they never claimed to be either. As a matter of fact they ran a show April 4th in Selvin and drew 150 people in an area they never ran before. I didnt make comments on Kozina or Full Throttle because I hadn't seen them before. JP, Shank and Hunk in my opinion just look and wrestle like the backyarders they are. And as far as unproven or unknown, either way Walt proved what I said true. The first show lost money and the second show only proved that what you guys might like to see isn't what everyone else wants to see. Walt's inability to know what the majority wants isn't very profitable when you are trying to run a business.
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Post by iketurner on May 28, 2009 18:58:47 GMT -5
Look man, im tired of going around in circles with you. What does the majority want? Because im not seeing any promotion really killing it with paid attendance. Why are you obssesed with making money for Walt anyway? Its not like its your money. The first show was a smashing hit. The second show had some bumps, but still had a good in ring product. I would say independent fans all across the country would disagree with your opinion. If i was wrong then the people booked in VIP wouldnt be taking bookings all across the country. Its laughable that you call JP or Shank backyard talent. Have you been to an NFW show? Jesus Christ, do you even know what wrestling is? The guys who saw Shank vs Rico from IWA were asking about Shank. There is a thread over there talking about how he is a up and comer. Chuck and Rico both started the same way Shank and JP are now. Now they are making a nice living for themselves in the wrestling business. Since you have such a different view on things, id just like to know what you would like to see. Being a wrestling fan, which im assuming you are, what do you like to pay to see? Not being a smart ass, just curious on what kind of wrestling you are a fan of?
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Post by a truthful opinion on May 28, 2009 19:32:26 GMT -5
Ike it doesn't matter what you see as good wrestling and what I see as good wrestling it is a matter of opinion but, that being said. I want to see believability, I want to see character, I want to see a story being played out. Wrestling is an art form and a science. Yes I have been to NFW shows and I see characters. I also see believability in most cases and room for serious improvement in others. I also have seen stories that are played out match wise and storyline wise. I have seen guys that everyone hates with a passion like Kid Kash, Tracy Smothers, Vic the Bruiser and guys that people love like Nick Dinsmore, The RoughRiders, Scotty Wolf. You are quick to put them down but how can you compare the fan base of NFW to VIP's or CCW's. I am not worried about Walt or his money. The funny part is after seeing how well his shows have done can anyone really be worried? Ike you aren't go round and round with me because of varying opinions of good wrestling it is on the fact that I am right and you don't want to admit that you kissed Walt's homosexual fanny for a crap show. Don't worry I'll quit posting and leave you alone.
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Post by MorrisDay on May 28, 2009 19:44:13 GMT -5
Jason Briley has already made it clear that the powers that be have no animosity towards VIP or NFW. So ....for the CCW powers that be.....I commend that.....I can respect that. The same can not be said for the CCW workers getting on here posting under guest names, and for that, you are giving your company a bad name. . I'm not getting on here to go around in circles and try to talk logic into your arguments. I'm getting on here to call your as.ses out! . You see Ike is on here being hospitable....the same can't be said for me. Your smart a.ss comments are enough to make me wanna knock you the f-uck out! You want to shoot? Lets Shoot! . F-UCK YOU!! . Hows that for a shoot? . You know who the f-uck we are. you puss.ys. and we are on the verge of finding out who you are! You wanna keep running your mouths? We are not as clueless as you think. It might be tomorrow.... It might be next week..... When I find out what jiffy lube you work at.... or better yet what food stamp line your standing in..... . I'll be there
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Post by iketurner on May 28, 2009 19:44:59 GMT -5
Your attitude sucks. I dont remember kissing Walts ass at all. If you put on a good show, then id come see it. Thats what i do. I just cant fathom going to a NFW show and actually seeing "good" wrestling. Characters are great, but if they suck ass when they get in the ring, who cares. You call JP and Shank backyarders and then pop guys like the roughriders or Scott Wolf??? We can agree to disagree, but i dont understand why you direct so much hate at me because i like ROH guys or IWA guys? Im just confused at why i generate so much negitivity? I supported VIP because they brought in guys i wanted to see and say they will continue to do so. Why is that wrong? Why does that piss you off so bad? Jesus Christ man, relax. Go enjoy your New Focus show. I dont care either way. You dont have to stop posting at all. Keep talking sh it. Thats what you guys do best.
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Post by iketurner on May 28, 2009 19:49:28 GMT -5
Couldnt have said it better myself Morris. You guys have made things personal. Making personal attacks on me because i prefer one show over the other. F_U_C_K THAT. You wanna talk dignity or credibility because i prefer the talent on VIP over CCW or NFW. ITS A MATTER OF OPINION. You dont have to like it, but then again you dont have to be azzholes about it either. You guys can kiss my white azz. Next time you see me at a show, come say hello.
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Post by VIPfan on May 28, 2009 20:36:33 GMT -5
You guys are pathetic. Its one thing to state your opinion and disagree with others. Its another thing to state your opinion like its fact and personally attack people when they disagree. Its independent wrestling people, nuts happens. VIP is running freedom fest this year and its a great chance to show people what is going on down at the Metro. Ive heard some rumors on the July show and if things hold together, we are looking at one heck of a show come July. So then you guys will go back under the rock you were hiding under after Evolution. Like Ike said, if you put as much energy into promoting the show you like as you did hating Walt, Lonestar and VIP, said company may gain from it. Smartmark and Truthful, you guys come off as sad sad people in this scuffle.
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